Preseason Champs wrote:

Not that its a huge deal but the impact suggested in this assessment leans on all teams being impacted equally, which I don't believe will happen.  So some teams could lose more guys off their roster than others.  I think a minors draft, with the amount of minors players available already in the pool should be less of an impact to us.  Maybe like 3 rounds or something.  The rest of us had to build/rebuild from the ground up.  I don't mind them getting the first picks in the minors draft, but getting that and getting the ability to raid my roster is a bit much.  

All that being said, I'm with Clint, what problem is expansion trying to solve?  I don't mind it overall, but I'm definitely with him in that I think it just thins out available players.  Even more so if guys are stashing minors guys all year long.  Without some pretty harsh rules around that I think if teams continue to experience injury issues like they are now, we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel for replacements, which I think ultimately hurts the overall competitiveness in the league.  

Just my two cents.  

The way I have things set up, expansion would "hit" everyone equally as each of the four rounds would result in one selection being made from each existing team. Each round would see a pick from each of the 12 existing teams with no team losing more than one player each round, and all teams losing exactly four players through the major league portion of the expansion draft.

During the minor league portion, we'd follow the same process but each team would lose exactly two minor leaguers.

Stepping Razor wrote:

I think everyone here is in their late 40's through 50's. In some other area's in the site guy's like Tuck are in their 60's. Either we expand, get new fresher blood with fresh ideas, or this thing of ours dies an old, slow, boring death. The kids bring some much needed life. This site can go months at a time with only roster moves posted. No fights, friendly banter, polls, topics of debate, no scandals....we are becoming old boring farts. We will never capture this chaos of BOTDD, nor should we. I know I don't have the energy anymore for that foolisness.

CJ, can I confess that I kind of miss the flame wars between MaFu, Luck and Tuck? I think that's the first time I've ever heard someone called a "ret@rted piece of fuck". 

Bird wrote:

Preseason Champs wrote:

Not that its a huge deal but the impact suggested in this assessment leans on all teams being impacted equally, which I don't believe will happen.  So some teams could lose more guys off their roster than others.  I think a minors draft, with the amount of minors players available already in the pool should be less of an impact to us.  Maybe like 3 rounds or something.  The rest of us had to build/rebuild from the ground up.  I don't mind them getting the first picks in the minors draft, but getting that and getting the ability to raid my roster is a bit much.  

All that being said, I'm with Clint, what problem is expansion trying to solve?  I don't mind it overall, but I'm definitely with him in that I think it just thins out available players.  Even more so if guys are stashing minors guys all year long.  Without some pretty harsh rules around that I think if teams continue to experience injury issues like they are now, we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel for replacements, which I think ultimately hurts the overall competitiveness in the league.  

Just my two cents.  

The way I have things set up, expansion would "hit" everyone equally as each of the four rounds would result in one selection being made from each existing team. Each round would see a pick from each of the 12 existing teams with no team losing more than one player each round, and all teams losing exactly four players through the major league portion of the expansion draft.

During the minor league portion, we'd follow the same process but each team would lose exactly two minor leaguers.

Just to clarify in the expansion draft if someone selected a player from my team in say the first round, no one else from my team would be eligible to be picked until someone is picked from each other team? 

Bird wrote:

Let's talk through this piece. Round 1, each of the existing teams would protect 15 players meaning that the two proposed expansion teams would each get 6 of the #16 guys on everyone's team. Then after round 1, the existing teams would protect three additional players (or the #17, 18 & 19) guys on your team. So then the expansion teams would get 6 #20 guys. The same thing happens in rounds 3 (with three more protected) and round 4. In the end. each expansion team would have 6-#16 guys, 6-#20 guys, 6-#24 guys and 6-#28 guys. Then they'd have 6 spots to fill off of our thin FA pool.

In the minor league draft, they'd get 6-#11 guys and 6-#17 guys.

Frankly, unless these GMs are good at wheeling and dealing and finding diamonds in the rough, the first few years are going to hurt for them.
 

Thanks Bill. That was not how I interpreted what you originally wrote. I interpreted it as both teams would take 1 player off every team (meaning 24 picks total before we protect 3 more).  Yes, they would have lacked the top 100 players, but they would have been very deep and very strong. With this clarification that helps.

I still think this should be something planned and announced at least a year in advance if we decide to expand.  So teams can account for that during the year. I know I traded a few closers I was ok with losing to restock, and a couple older vets so I could have more "bites at the apple" with youth at certain positions on my majors team. Those are moves I would not have made if I'd known I'd be losing players.  I.E. I would have gladly kept Semien, Teoscar Hernandez, Griffin Jax, etc. that would be guys I could lose in the expansion draft and been ok with.

Would we be able to make deals? By that I mean work out something with one of the expansion teams that says, hey, if you draft XXX from my MLB team in round 1, I will allow XXX to be unprotected in the minors draft for you to take?

So you guys want an extra year to insure you fuck over the new GM's even more then they are already? That's not very manly or sporting of you.
I'm actually going through the same thing is real life in little league. Text me if you want to know the skinny. I can say, like this, you can either be flexible and aggressive, or be flaccid and let someone else steal your thunder, or in this case assets and momentum.
Remember we have strike/lockout looming too.