Bird wrote:

I don't have any issues with expansion, I just want to make sure that everyone is on board for what it will mean for everyone's individual teams. Likely, the expansion rules would allow for each of the expansion teams to draft 24 players for an MLB roster, so a total of 48 or 4 each from the 12 existing teams. MiLB could be a little less because there are many unowned players out there, so they'd each probably draft 12 players, for a total of 24, or 2 from each team. 

So, with expansion, everyone would lose 4 Yahoo players and 2 minor league players. 

Again, I don't have an issue with this but I don't want anyone to be surprised of what it will mean for your individual team.

Drafts would be done in rounds, with a certain number of protected players to start and additional players eligible to be protected after each round. Expansion teams would be required to choose from each existing team in each round, meaning that you wouldn't lose all four players in round one, you'd lose a player in each round.

Sounds solid to me.
 

Ok guys, here's a draft of a revised Article 15, subject to change.

Article 15: League Expansion
Applications for membership will be reviewed periodically, and will be judged by the commissioner based upon the following criteria: current overall JTL condition, evidence of an energetic and involved membership by the applicant, unavailability of existing teams, and daily access to e-mail/internet.  If and when expansion occurs, the method for expansion will be as listed below:
 
A. Roster Construction
Teams will draft 24 players to their Yahoo roster and 12 players to their minor league roster. The number of players drafted may be modified by the Commissioner prior to a draft beginning.
 
B. Draft Pool
Each existing team will start the expansion draft by protecting 15 players. After each round, existing teams will be allowed to protect 3 additional players. All players not on a team’s protected list are eligible to be drafted in that round. During the Minor League Expansion Draft, each current owner protects 10 players for round one, with 5 additional players protected for round two.
 
Additional protected players must be submitted prior to a deadline communicated to all owners by the Commissioner, or Designee, via the league’s message board. Failure to meet this deadline will result in a loss of the ability to protect additional players for that round.
 
Players will be defined as Major League or Minor League based on their roster position on each existing owner’s team at the start of the Expansion Draft.

C. Expansion Draft
If one team is admitted during an offseason, the owner will be able to make all of their selections for each round at any time. If two teams are admitted, draft order will be drawn randomly and teams will alternate selections. If more than two teams are admitted in one offseason, draft order will be drawn and the draft will be conducted using a snake draft format.
 
Major League and Minor League expansion drafts will take place separately and it is not permissible to draft a Major League player in the Minor League draft, nor a Minor League player in the Major League draft.
 
Expansion drafts will take place over a series of rounds, with the Commissioner determining the number of rounds prior to the draft beginning based on the number of teams being admitted. The number of picks in each Expansion Draft rounds will equal the number of teams existing in the league prior to the start of the Expansion Draft with one player being chosen from each existing team in each round until the total number of drafted players are met.
 
D. Free Agent Pool
Following the completion of the Expansion Draft, a period of free agency will open for the newly drafted teams where they will be allowed to add free agent players to their Yahoo roster. This free agency period will last for a period of time established by the Commissioner. Existing teams will not be allowed to add free agents during this period. This period must be completed prior to the start of the pre-season draft.
 
No exclusive free agency period will exist for Minor League players for expansion teams.

E. Post-Expansion Draft
Expansion team(s) will be awarded the #1 pick in both the pre-season draft, minor league draft and #1 waiver wire priority of the year in which they are admitted to the league. In the event that more than one team is admitted to the league in a given season, this draft priority will be randomized with expansion teams in the top draft spots equal to the number of expansion teams. In subsequent years, expansion teams will not receive any preferential treatment in terms of draft position or waiver priority.
 
In years where expansion has taken place, the annual pre-season draft will be expanded from three rounds, to three plus the number of Expansion Draft rounds.
 

I looked up how it’s been done in pro sports. In the NFL when the Texans joined, teams provided a list of 5 unprotected players (out of a 52 man roster, so 10% of roster was unprotected)

I think NHL expansion protected 8 forwards (out of 12), 4 defenders (out of 6) and 1 of 2 goalies. But they also allowed teams to make deals that essentially allowed them to pick the player they were losing.

NBA protected 8 of the players still under contract. NBA teams typically have 12-14 players during the year, but would have had less than that during Charlottes expansion draft because free agents weren’t counted.

So most of the pro leagues protect at least 2/3 of their roster or more.

Bird wrote:

I don't have any issues with expansion, I just want to make sure that everyone is on board for what it will mean for everyone's individual teams. Likely, the expansion rules would allow for each of the expansion teams to draft 24 players for an MLB roster, so a total of 48 or 4 each from the 12 existing teams. MiLB could be a little less because there are many unowned players out there, so they'd each probably draft 12 players, for a total of 24, or 2 from each team. 

So, with expansion, everyone would lose 4 Yahoo players and 2 minor league players. 

Again, I don't have an issue with this but I don't want anyone to be surprised of what it will mean for your individual team.

Drafts would be done in rounds, with a certain number of protected players to start and additional players eligible to be protected after each round. Expansion teams would be required to choose from each existing team in each round, meaning that you wouldn't lose all four players in round one, you'd lose a player in each round.

Not that its a huge deal but the impact suggested in this assessment leans on all teams being impacted equally, which I don't believe will happen.  So some teams could lose more guys off their roster than others.  I think a minors draft, with the amount of minors players available already in the pool should be less of an impact to us.  Maybe like 3 rounds or something.  The rest of us had to build/rebuild from the ground up.  I don't mind them getting the first picks in the minors draft, but getting that and getting the ability to raid my roster is a bit much.  

All that being said, I'm with Clint, what problem is expansion trying to solve?  I don't mind it overall, but I'm definitely with him in that I think it just thins out available players.  Even more so if guys are stashing minors guys all year long.  Without some pretty harsh rules around that I think if teams continue to experience injury issues like they are now, we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel for replacements, which I think ultimately hurts the overall competitiveness in the league.  

Just my two cents.  

I'm Pro Expansion.

I think everyone here is in their late 40's through 50's. In some other area's in the site guy's like Tuck are in their 60's. Either we expand, get new fresher blood with fresh ideas, or this thing of ours dies an old, slow, boring death. The kids bring some much needed life. This site can go months at a time with only roster moves posted. No fights, friendly banter, polls, topics of debate, no scandals....we are becoming old boring farts. We will never capture this chaos of BOTDD, nor should we. I know I don't have the energy anymore for that foolisness. Good Gawd though, this place is more boring than Tuesday night bi weekly mandated missionary. IMO this shouldn't even be open for debate, let the kids play!

Logistics wise I'm fine with what Bird posted. After 15 players protected what they have to chose from isn't stellar. Anything more is just being selfish. Give the kids a fighting chance. Knowing you scurvy fucks the only meat left on the bone will be starting pitching and over 35+ year old position players anyway. For minors not a single top 100 player will be avaliable.

Transcation caps are mainly to stop GM like me from abusing the system. Real teams don't run through as many players as we do. 50 brings realism home. I think 70-75 is perfect. 100 is very rare air. That's the highest it should be. I think Ulimate 16 teams still had two guys have 100+ transcations. Someone will always be searching the dollar bins for treasure. Plus doing those rosters....give my dude a break. That's a pain in the behind. My vote is 50.

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